Sir -- With reference to Brendan O'Connor's page one article: 'No More Mr (Irish) Nice Guy' (Sunday Independent, September 14, 2008), Mr Paddy, sorry for disappointing you, but, no, not everyone likes you.
As a matter of fact, it is pretty amazing how disliked the Irish are.
Of course, this is not said aloud as it is not politically correct. (French and German are the only two nationalities one can hate openly). Anyway as I was saying, keep dreaming.
The great craic: where, when, how, who?
Did I miss anything these last 30-odd years? I never see any craic with the Paddies. I agree, you sincerely believe you've got it, but noooooooo, wrong again. Only when you're binge-drinking do you dare open your mouth. And then, it is to talk total rubbish. You are loud, that's for sure. Well, one is Irish, so, one must pretend to be enjoying oneself. The usual topic is -- God, we are great!!!! Everybody loves us. (Please God, let it be true!).
Your accent? Well, first of all, like in any country, there are different accents. But again, no, no, no, no -- the Irish accent is vile! Last month, I was in Ireland for a week. As soon as I arrived in Dublin and was surrounded by that awful noise coming out of the mouths around me, I wondered how would I be able to last that long. For sure, to wake up next to someone with such an accent must be some anti-climax! Give me the south east English accent anytime. But Irish?
It is a fact that the Irish are totally ignorant regarding the cultures of thousands of beautiful countries and regions all over the world. Most of those cultures include story-telling, playing music, singing. But , again, silly us, we forgot, only the Irish sing and play music .... How many times do you want to hear the boooooooring Danny song?
So Mr Paddy, I've been married to an Irishman for 32 years. I know the Irish history (I made sure I read the books), I know what Ireland was like 30 years ago, I know the mentality of the Irish, I know everything about you all. And it is not very pretty.
The chip on the shoulder? Well, you have one on each shoulder, for balance. And that stops you from rising up. You see the other nationalities, (let's take the French and the German you hate so much) they are very secure about themselves and they are bloody right about it. So, they don't care what anybody thinks about them. I am French (ho la la, a frog!) and the one thing I am proud of is that in France, unlike in Ireland, we are very curious about other nationalities.
My origins are in Brittany. Brittany -- where people do not like the Irish. Why? Because you are ignorant. You are the ones who are not interested in other cultures. The Scottish and the Welsh are loved in Brittany, Why? Because they are interested in all those people coming to the festivals from all over the world to introduce us to their culture. But you? Forget it.
Even when it comes to business in France, you are known as not trustworthy. A lot of bullshit, yes!
When I was in sales in London, the Irish clients were the easiest to get. Why? Just telling them, "I am married to an Irishman" was sufficient to get the appointment/the deal. They all thought they were loved. Idiots! Sometimes I even found it too easy.
I have a friend who is the director of a recruitment agency for hotel industry management. Well, guess what? Irish women are the most difficult to place. Why? Because they are vile. They believe that being a good manager is to bully people. Very Irish!
Irish friends? No, it does not exist. I am not saying there are no nice Irish people. But friendship can be difficult among people who begrudge the success of their neighbour. (Don't deny it, even the Irish say it themselves). For whatever reason, you are obsessed with money. In France, we consider it vulgar to talk about money.
So, to your last comment, that everybody likes you when you are rich, let me tell you something. No matter what, Paddy, and don't forget it, no amount of money will hide the smell of dung which will always stick to your magnificent boots wherever you'll go.
And next time, don't mix up "patronising you" with "liking you".
A nationality is just an accident of birth, which means that when people say, for example: "I am proud of being Irish", it is an absurdity. We do nothing in order to have a nationality. And to be proud of something, you must achieve something, work at it, like when you succeed at your exams.
But for sure, I am very happy to be French. Thank God for that accident of birth. How awful to think I could have been born Irish! Italian, Spanish, yes. But Irish! And maybe that is why deep down you're so afraid of not being liked. You realise yourself how pathetic you are.
As for the accent of my husband, he has a great musical ear, and maybe that is why he has hardly any Irish accent. Lucky me!
Anyway, keep dreaming.
PS: All the people I know from Italy, France, Poland, etc are French, Italian, Polish. Nobody calls himself/herself European. Nobody.
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While some of the letter is blatantly rascist, there are a few interesting points.
Firstly the point that nationality is an accident of birth and so does not automatically bestow you with amazing powers as many Irish people assume it does. Secondly, the assumption (that actually the writer both seems to contradict and be aware of) that this is meaningful - I recognise the mention she makes of the Irish idiots who were willing to do business with her because they assumed that her maaiage to an Irish man would empower them - a very common misassumption in Ireland, most successfully exploited by FF politicians!
Now this leads me onto my theme of the day - how the influence of history and tradition to create culture and differences with others. The traditions in Ireland certainly do lead to resentment of other peoples success and the "chip on both shoulders" mentality. It is a common cultural symptom in Ireland, the begrudgement and obsession with money (and status). However this is a result of learning as a result of the history and tradition. I think there is a lot to be learned from this letter from anybody planning a holiday or emmigration. Everybody assumes everybody "loves" the Irish. My own experience of world travel is that people meet a lot of people from different countries and don't really care where you came from, they are only interested in you. Irish people's navel gazing I suspect is a result of transference of similar tendencies from the British as a result of reading a lot of British tabloid newspapers with similar mentalities!
Anyway last night I was present at a glorious Munster rugby victory over Leinster in the RDS. My sister is an avid Leinster supporter and doesn't understand why I prefer the Southern cousins.
Well here is a classic example of the influence of history and tradition.
I grew up on the north side, from a working class background and went to an ordinary, non fee paying school, accross the road from one of the top fee paying rugby schools. The looked down their nose at us and naturally we didn't support their sport. So when rugby professionalised in the mid 90s and entered European leagues, it didn't exactly hit me.
Until a soft night in autumn 2002 when friends took me to a lively Musgrave Park, where I caught the Munster bug. What intrigued me most was how seriously people took the team and sport, how they knew every player and move, and most strikingly, the respectful silence when Ronan O Gara kicked to convert or a penalty. Munster won the celtic league game that night, but it started a long love.
In fact, I barely noticed the blue Leinster cousins, until a famous sunny afternoon in April 2006.
On this occasion I had to reconcile for the first time, my loyalties. I had supported Munster now for the guts of 4 years. That couldn't stop. But I had to think about why.
The reality was, was that this was the history and tradition I had learned in living down South, learning different values and ways than back home. Home in fact, had changed dramatically and much of it I now find unrecogniseable.
So I am and remain a loyal Munster fan, though I feel sorry for Leinsters inability to translate their hunger into the same kind of success.
So its not just about where you come from, but what you experience that make you what you are.
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